NTNU Mandarin Training Center
Posted by
kang-wei on Sunday, October 5th 2008

國立臺灣師範大學 National Taiwan Normal University, Shi-Da, founded the Mandarin Training Center in 1956 for the study of Mandarin Chinese by foreign students.
The Mandarin Training Center represents one of the world’s oldest and most distinguished programs for language study, attracting more than a thousand students from over sixty countries to Taiwan each year and making the Shi-Da area of Taipei one of the city’s most cosmopolitan.
Blogger BrettEverett has written about his experiences at NTNU’s Mandarin Training Center. It gives a great insight into what Mandarin scholarship students can expect in the way of administration and teaching methodology. It’s very important for Mandarin scholarship students to know what they want before they commit to a university. Once the scholarship is linked to that university you have to wait two semesters before you can change.
NTNU’s Mandarin Training Center hasn’t lived up to what I expected it to be. We have currently have 8 students (the max), at one point had 10 students in our class, and all of their literature says that 5-6 students is average size for the intensive classes. The difference between their regular and intensive classes are two students and one extra hour of class a day. That is, there are 10 students in a normal class and they only meet for 2 hours a day instead of 3.
I’m also disappointed in MTC’s teaching methodology. It’s focused mostly on writing. We also have to do a lot of homework outside of class. My issue with that is that writing is my weakest area. I haven’t written characters for three years now. I always use computers to do my homework, and as such have practically forgotten how to write. My classmates are 2 americans, a Chinese-Indonesian guy, 2 Japanese guys, a Japanese girl and a 16 year old Mongolian girl. I joke that the Japanese girl is a walking character dictionary. She always knows how to write whatever character we are studying.
I don’t care much for writing characters. It wastes a lot of time and I’m poor at it. I don’t have years in which to dedicate myself to writing a single character hundreds of times until it is correct. I want to work on speaking and recognizing characters. To me, being able to communicate with other people in Chinese is why I’m here. Squiggly lines don’t interest me. If it isn’t clear, I’m very unhappy with my current school situation. Of our tests and everything else we do, 20% is speaking, 20% is reading recognition and the last 60% is writing.
This is opposite of what I want for myself and is making me less and less happy as time goes on. I keep scoring poorly on the tests because I write the characters wrong. Its frustrating always asking the teacher for more time while my Japanese classmates have finished their tests and are napping while waiting for us to finish. Even though I have a scholarship from NTNU, I can’t see myself staying there in the future if the situation doesn’t improve.
National Taiwan University Mandarin Training Center
I personally equate prestigious universities/programs with inflexibility and encourage scholarship students to really do their research before they commit. I will be posting as many different experiences from different universities as I can find.
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hello, I’m interested in study chinese language in NTNU. Is there any scholarship to study in there? how to apply? I’m from Indonesia.
thank you
HI, I am interested in studying Chinese in master level. How to apply? please contact me.
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hello, I’m interested in study chinese language in NTNU. I have a Taiwan scholarship to study in there.
I’m from Nicaragua.
thank you
Dear Brett,
Do you not recommend a three month intensive in NTNU if
the student is already an off-spring of a native speaker of Mandarin, and intends to better his listening and spoken ability rather than writing ability of Mandarin?
Where else can he go for three months this summer?
Any suggestion? We’ve applied but have not paid Shi Da4 for it, class starting June 4th to August 21st. Any other program you know of worth the money?
My experience with Shi-Da has been till now extremely negative.
I am a 38YO translator who decided to learn Chinese and was advised to come to NTNU. Joined the course March 2009 and am about to finish the 1st Quarter.
The overall feelings are FRUSTRATION, DISAPPOINTMENT and just a huge confusion about grammar, rules and character.
The reasons are:
1) A book (Practical Audio Visual Chinese) that is a )completely lacking any structural or logical organizazion b) Lacking in grammar rules explanations (You only have some English and then they shift to full Chinese, so whoever doesn’t know Chinese characters gets lost pretty easily), NO GRAMMAR EXPLANATIONS AT ALL (Just a few patterns). When you get back home you look at the book and you feel lost simply because there is no grammar to look at
2) Teaching method: They don’t care if you know or don’t know Chinese. They just start with full Chinese from day one and keep going on the same path even if you are desperate and can’t get a single word. Occasionally, if you beg, you can get some scattered, short, often unclear, explanations in English that often don’t help. And you get more and more confused……..
Also note-taking can be an impossible mission. Teacher writes ONLY in Chinese and often also in Pinyin. But the funny thing is that if you try to write chinese characters……..well better give up…she’ll erase the white board far before you’re done so your block notes end up fill of unfinished horrible looking chinese characters. Useless to beg all the time……gave up on taking notes too. Was tired of looking like a retard.
3) Useless complaining to the office where they are all polite and smiling but not very eager to take your complaints seriously. If you complain about the book…they will elegantly skip the topic (At least so did the girl i talked to two weeks after the beginning of courses)…IF you ask them if it’s possible to get some help in English…the answer you get is (with a polite smile of course…) “WHEN YOU WENT TO LEARN ENGLISH DID THEY TEACH YOU ENGLISH IN YOUR MOTHERTONGUE?”. Useless explaining her that when i went to learn English i already knew some English and that no normaly human being can learn a language in decent way by simply looking at symbols on a blackboard. Also, since they don’t listen that you don’t fit the method and the book…they propose you One to one lessons (500NTD per hour), probably with a teacher who uses the same method and still doesn’t want to speak English (But that i don’t know because i gave up on that also…after she told me i had to take the teacher they wanted at the time they wanted…so i pay and still have no choices).
Got so disappointed that i am not even taking the test, because being unable to read Chinese characters (They expected us to know over 200 characters in 3 months, which is a little bit too much for someone who had never seen Chinese in his life), i wouldn’t be able to answer any question or other part of the test.
4) Teacher says “We need to do 10 chapters by the end of this quarter”. This means that it doesn’t matter much if you’re learning or not. What matters is finishing the 10 chapters. It sounds a pretty sad perspective from a student side.
5) Their classes are often overnumbered. They tell 6 or 7 people and then you find like 10 people in one class. IMPORTANT TO KNOW. In a mixed class ASIAN VS WESTERNERS….westerners will stay behind simply because many asians already know chinese characters. And levels are varied so in classes there are people who go very fast and will quick make you feel a little bit dumb.
I didn’t find Chinese too hard to understand but the method and the book really make it a frustrating experience
Many students get help from other more advanced students (In their respective languages) but at that point i don’t think i need to pay for lessons provided in a Chinese that beginners simply CANNOT UNDERSTAND.
In short, a waste of money till now.
I have been told NTU (National Taiwan University) is much better, especially for the teachers and the method, while the book is, unluckily the same they use at NTNU (A nightmare i can tell)
Also TLI, a private school is pretty famous. It’s considered the second best chinese school in Taiwan, after NTU.
Personally i wouldn’t recommend NTNU unless you already know chinese characters and some essential basics and are ready to tackle with a book that means nothing.
Hi, I want to go to Taiwan to study Chinese language, but i don’t know how to apply, so, if any guys know,please help me and guide me to do this, thanks you very much indeed. This is my email addresss ( vy_ice_cream@yahoo.com) Thu VY
Oh yeap, i am from Viet nam, just want to mention about this, so it is easy so you to guide me when you know my nationality! Thanks! Thu Vy
i was thinking about studying mandarin at ntnu this coming march 2010, but now with the above comment am thinking maybe i should look into ntu instead.
my background is hong kong cantonese, with only extremely basic knowledge of chinese characters and mandarin pronounciation, but am thinking that better teaching methodology would be more helpful nonetheless considering the financial investment.
Dear Ben Ma,
My son went to the NTNU program for 80 days, and told me that I should have signed him up at NTU. I was concerned about the cost. He is now at HKU. Maybe if you send me the email, I will link you up with him.
Hi VC
That’s very kind of you, thank you. I didn’t expect to get such a quick reply!
My email is maben@hotmail.com.
Honestly, the NTU program is more structured, more professional, and better overall. At NTNU, you could be in a class where many people have a different attitude of learning than you or the level of learning may not be the same for all students. At NTU you will be forced to learn fast, and will benefit from it more. NTU is definately a better pick for someone trying to learn Chinese.
how to apply scholarship to study here ? i want to know..
i am very interest study Chinese language…
please give me some introduce by email…thanks a lot…
I totally agree Enrico, I am studying at the Mandarin Training Center and my experience is so so similar, thanks for posting it
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am from the Republic of Belarus. I heard a lot of good information about NTNU Mandarin Training Center. As I’ve been studying Chinese for 2 years in Confucius institute in Minsk, I am very interested in Chinese Scholarship Short Training Program. I am eager to know if your university is going to hold this program in 2010 and if yes where I can find out information about admission procedure.
Faithfully yours,
Katya.
My experience from the NTNU was great. My Ecuadorian roommate told me her NTU experience was a nightmare.
I am from the US, and yes, as a Westerner, the characters were killing me.
However, the teaching methods were fairly effective. I was taught my veteran NTNU teachers and had the pleasure of being taught my a transferred NTU teacher also, whom assured NTU taught nearly the same way.
The teachers I had stopped and tried their best to clear their explanations. Having you learn it in Chinese is sometimes the only way to learn it, being that there is no English equivalent. I’ll admit though, you have to put your due time in studying to understand the material. Meaning finding time to converse, become familiar and comfortable with the language with locals.
Learning the characters and verbally communicating come hand in hand, you have to forget about translating and just learn as a child learns, learning their convey meaning through experience. That was my experience in my classes. My teachers didn’t just teach us words, they showed us through action and situations.
I don’t want to ramble, but all in all, my experiences were good. You really have to dedicate yourself and find your way of studying.
When I studied Japanese in Japan, the school I went to (Sendagaya) wouldn’t place students already familar with the characters (kanji), such as Mandarin or Korean speakers, in the same class with other students. I wish the schools in Taiwan where I studied Mandarin had done the same. It would also be good if they could manage to out all the ABCs etc who already speak Mandarin and there for the writing into dedicated classes too. All the schools teaching Mandarin in Taiwan are still really rigid and hidebound, and as for knowledge of current EFL/EFL pedagogy…let’s just say that if they know it, most of the teachers are doing a good of hiding the fact. China is way ahead of Taiwan in terms of Teaching Chinese as a Foreign Language, Taiwan is a more pleasant place to live though. It is unfortunate that Taiwan is SO losing out here…
I wrote the post above around march/april 2009. After i wrote that post i left NTNU and checked TLI and NTU. After a while i decided to give NTU a chance and i must say my learning curve has improved drastically.
Not only teachers are more patient, but most of them speak english and are aware of the differences between the different languages so they are even able to make comparisons that help you to learn in a proper way. The only negative remark i have noticed to date is the fact that sometimes the university literally PUSHES teachers to teach too fast so sometimes (especially some lessons) you learn quick but also forget quick because they don’t have enough time to stop on a given part of grammar or program. But, in my humble opinion and based on my experience at NTNU (SCARY also because they would listen to you but wouldn’t help you just suggesting more expensive solutions rather than rethinking their courses), i think NTU is about 60% better than NTNU (Considering number of students in class, teachers skills and patience and understanding foreigner’s mentality and needs, logics applied to courses, which makes you learn very intuitively and in a natural way, as opposed as to NTNU where some teacher seem to expect you to learn chinese with them speaking chinese even if your skills are 0 in chinese, which provides you a very slow learning curve)
Also, i noticed many classes are more balanced at NTU. Some exceptions are present at NTU too, where you can have 2 westerners with 4 koreans/japanese people. In those cases the 2 westerners are more bound to get lost because Japanese and Koreans tend to learn chinese pretty quick so if you can’t keep up, my advice is ASK TO CHANGE CLASS quick or you’ll lose your money.
For the rest NTU FOREVER, also for the type of environment you can find.
That’s the second part of my experience to date!
Will post more as i have some good or bad news (Not hoping for the latter of course.)